Talk:Haileybury (Melbourne)

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Does anyone know whether this place is connected to Haileybury and Imperial Service College? I've tried looking on the website, but there's nothing about history, and the only "contact" page is designed for parents to request information. --Phil | Talk 15:56, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

Only via a historical connection; there's no financial or corporate connection beyond the name. (I'm an ex Haileybury student, FWIW.) 121.44.107.119 (talk) 09:11, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Haileybury is written like an advertisement

After much discussion with many librarians we have all come to the conclusion that this article is written way to much like an advertisement with the facility section etc. I want to get your thoughts on this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.157.75 (talk) 08:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the article needs a great deal of work. Despite a hundred-year history, the history section jumps from 1892 to 1999, the facilities section is a rather pointless list, the students section is a list of suburbs and the house/pastoral section is of no use to individuals outside of Haileybury --gummAY 06:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I think we should take out the Facilities section as it is not encyclopedia needed information. The house system seems to be the same as most schools so maybe that should be removed as well. I suggest that we should clean it up and take out the unnecessary parts. Just wondering what you guys thought? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.189.110 (talk) 08:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

While the facilities section is rather ordinary in its current state, I'd venture that after some heavy modification some information could stay. For example, Haileybury has an indoor 50m heated swimming pool with electronic timing - you can almost count the number of those in Victoria on one hand ... and this one's in a school. When compared with other schools, Haileybury tends to have a great deal more facilities - it's probably one of the things that makes it notable. Let's strip it bare :)--gummAY (talk) 07:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Afterthought: Integrate the facilities with the campuses, it doesn't need its own section --gummAY (talk) 07:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

The sports facilities aren't that great at Haileybury, compared to Wesley College, I have been on a tour of Haileybury and Wesley recently for this article and Wesley seems to have newer / better facilities... however I think most of the schools listed in wikipedia needs a general clean up. If any one feels like it can they integrate the facilities section into the campuses sectiona s gummAy suggested, i have information on Wesley and Haileybury as I live close to them and I have a huge from the registrars of each school. Thank You! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.179.2 (talk) 23:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Relation to Haileybury in England

Haileybury is related to 'Haileybury and Imperial Service College', for the record. (http://www.haileybury.herts.sch.uk/)

Yes, but only tangentially in that the Haileybury (Melbourne) was founded by an alumni of Haileybury (UK) who got permission to use the name. Hewwo3 (talk) 03:37, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Sports captains

I think the list of sports captains is beyond the scope of an encyclopedic article, and should be left out of the article. Any opinions? Cnwb 23:20, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

I think it is very appropriate and informative to include sport captains in the article. Any opinions?

Haileybury are no good at sport. Why would anyone want to know who their sports captains are? What is the point? Tier two school, too.

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Haileybury is a member of the APS. One of only eleven schools that have membership -- isn't this elite/prestigious? Why would it be tier two?

Senior Staff at Edrington

This information is really relevant only to those who attend Haileybury and not the wider community, and while it is somewhat useful I don't beleive that it should be included, and if it is then similar entries should be made to Newlands, Castlefield and Senior School. Any Opinions?

Sursum Corda

We can all see that this is common in the Xavier and Haileybury crests, however can someone please find a source to show haileybury "took" it from Xavier?

--- No, Sursum Corda is in common with Haileybury England's Coat of Arms. This negates the above comment.

Sorry for the ambiguous wording of my above remark. I made it after a stint of people kept readding a statement that Haileybury "stole" it from Xavier. I know well of its true origins :) --gummAY 01:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Haileybury College and Haileybury Girls College

Just wanted an opinion as to whether the article should be renamed to Haileybury, Melbourne as the article incorporates both Haileybury College and Haileybury Girls College.

Sounds ok to me. --gummAY 13:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I've moved the page to Haileybury, Melbourne and while it sounds weird at first im sure the move is for the better. There are also links from Haileybury College, Melbourne and Haileybury Girls College Sendreplyfwd 09:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that the page has been moved back do Haileybury College, Melbourne. I must stress that Haileybury includes both Haileybury College and Haileybury Girls College. If the article title is Haileybury College, Melbourne then Haileybury has stressed that it must not contain information relating to the girls college. Sendreplyfwd 11:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Again the page has been moved to Haileybury College,Melbourne. I must stress that this is not the correct title. The registered name is Haileybury, not Haileybury College as of 2003. I will move it back again however before I do so, if it sounds too much like a suburb then maybe it should be something along the lines of Haileybury (school), Melbourne. any thoughts? Sendreplyfwd 13:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Is there anything we can do to mitigate the amount of vandalism that this page is currently receiving ? -gummAY 02:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Please elobarate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.178.160.100 (talk • contribs)

Senior School Leadership

I have verified the leadership positions and they are correct, there will be no changes except for the addition of girls leaders on February 2nd, I have also neatened the leadership section as it was looking more like a gossip column than an encyclopedia. 124.181.221.168 07:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Well check again... :P 203.214.105.94 15:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)Meyv.

Senior Leadership Removed

I have removed the section on Senior School Leadership.

• The section was subject to constant vandalism.
• The information was unverifiable , except by original research.
• The people listed were not notable.
• The information was only of interest to a small group of people.

So there! I have attempted to be bold, and would appreciate feedback.

--gummAY 07:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, that is a vast improvement to the article. I agree with your summary, and would also add Wikipedia:Avoid statements that will date quickly to the list. Does anyone else agree that the Extra Curricular Program also needs some attention? -- zzuuzz^(talk) 11:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. Thinking about the original intention of the list, and the reason it's become so large, I suppose it was akin to saying something about how many different activities are available to students outside of the (also large) number of subjects offered. Should it be deleted outright, or replaced with a sentence or two: Haileybury offers students a wide range of sporting, musical and academic extra-curricular activities to participate, most included in tuition fees. Saturday sport is compulsory for all students ... Something else that could use attention is the third paragraph in the opening, but as it's late I'll leave that for another day. --gummAY 13:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Extracurricular Activities Removed

I have removed the list of extracurricular activities.

• The information in the list will become out of date quickly.
• The information was only of interest to a small group of people.
• The information was unverifiable , except by original research.
• Some items in the list were not notable (eg. "Hearts and Wings (Junior Campus publication)").
• The section was subject to some vandalism.

--gummAY 11:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Finally!! this list was ridiculous, and I'm convinced half of the activities listed aren't even offered (to the best of my knoweledge). Also Hearts & Wings is notable, it is now the official magazine for Prep-9, instead of the good old whole school magazine (just thought I would tell you as you are an ex-student). 124.181.165.91 17:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support and information :) --gummAY 23:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Boarding School

Can someone please provide a source that Haileybury is now a boarding school as per recent edits by 124.176.146.202 --gummAY 14:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

As a current student at Haileybury, I think I can safely say it's not. 12Shark 01:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Just looked into it in detail, there is an option for international students to board at Castlefield during term. This is limited to a maximum of 12 students. While it has been set up for international students, it is also possible to board if you are from interstate. However I don't think this qualifies Haileybury as a boarding school per say. Here is the public link for information www.haileybury.vic.edu.au/data/el_pool/FEES%20&%20CONDITIONS%20FOR%20INTERNATIONAL%20STUDENTS.doc Sendreplyfwd 12:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

That's interesting - thanks for the information! -gummAY 04:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

• "in excess of 40k for boarders".

given our recent findings that there are only 12 places available, is this a statement necessary to have in the introductory paragraph? --gummAY 04:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I would argue that since borders make up such a small percentage of the student body, that their inclusion in the article should be minimal. Sendreplyfwd 11:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, so shall we remove it? --gummAY 14:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

List of Old Boys

Wow, that list is getting huge. Is it time to start considering a spilt, like they did o'er at Caulfield Grammar School ---gummAY 08:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

New Tradition

I think, due to recent events, that there should be a section about the speech held by Mr. Scott at assembly last Thursday about the new tradition. There is indeed a new tradition at Haileybury so it deserves to get a mention in this article .

Any thoughts? --Kvs90 09:07, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

What exactly is this new tradition? Loopla 09:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

The new tradition is the song Dr. Pargetter wrote, "For We Are Haileybury". --Kvs90 09:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

New Principal

Due to the passing of Dr. Robert Pargetter, Mr. Nicholas Dwyer has been appointed as acting Principal, this is reflected in the article. http://www.haileybury.vic.edu.au/fs_secondary.asp?load=htm_NEWS.asp&Level1PageID=85&PageID=85&intNewsID=1052 124.180.95.3 08:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

'Students' Section

I think this section is poorly written. Can someone fix it? 124.190.145.143 01:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism by anonymous/IP address users

I count at least 15 reverts in recent times where the target was the line about school fees. The vandals are now even removing the entire references section.

Is this annoying any one else? Is there a solution? --gummAY 16:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I find it very annoying. I was the one that changed the fees to that which the school has published and added the ref. Someone clearly feels that people should think that Haileybury is more expensive than it really is. I guess the only solution is to keep watching the article and continue to revert. It's on my watch list. Glad someone else is doing something about it! Loopla 05:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I just recently changed the school fees to the published 2008 fees. It is just under $20K for years 10-12, and just above $10K for prep. Kvs90 (talk) 07:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Haileybury is the largest

Haileybury claims to have an enrolment of 3,200 students. Wesley College has an enrolment of 3,500 students (Campus rolls.)

The information that Haileybury was the largest school by enrolment first came from a book called "125 years of Caufield" by Helen Primrose. In this book she said that Haileybury was the largest with a population of 3,200, and Wesley the 2nd largest with a population of 2950. I have found that this figure is not correct; she did not include Wesley's Elsterwick Campus population (which goes from kinder - year 9) and adds another 450 students to the list!

The Wikipedia page claims that Haileybury has a student population that exceeds 3,200. I'm assuming this perhaps means 3,220 or something, but not as many as 3,500 - which is about Wesley's population.

Please correct me if I'm wrong; I may very well be! :)

58.107.228.3 (talk)

Hey Guys, Before anyone edits the enrolment number, go to www.haileybury.vic.edu.au. Then click on each of the campuses descriptions.

BERWICK: "Edrington caters for approximately 560 students"

BRIGHTON: "Castlefield caters for approximately 700 students from the Early Learning Centre to Year 9."

KEYSBOROUGH: "Today, Newlands has over 800 students and Senior School has approximately 600 students."

800 + 600 + 700+ 560 = 2,660.

They say there's plans to re-open the senior college, but there is no figure that equals 3,200. They'd need to enrol another 830 students before they become the largest. (The largest is 3490!) I'm not sure if these figures are correct though

Could someone obtain an official enrolment count? :) Thanks. Jobers (talk) 08:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, what is needed here is a reference! People have to have a reference that states Wesley has Y number of students and Haileybury has X number of students, not people saying random figures. Twenty Years 14:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

It's hard to reference the 2007 enrolment as that wont be published until after 2007. I would take the website information with a grain of salt as it hasn't been updated since the girls senior school began (which now accounts for nearly 300 enrolments). The corporate report 2006 makes reference to 2,950 students, the 3200 figure will of course be taking into account the two new senior schools plus the extra enrolments in Pre-Senior etc however they have not been officially published (and wont be until january), I would say that the enrolment should read 2,950 as that is the last "official" enrolment figure published, in terms of making it the largest independent school in Victoria that is definately not correct because a) Wesley has a higher official enrolment and b) Haileybury is actually registered as two seperate schools. 121.219.251.175 (talk) 09:57, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Guys... I'm a current student of Wesley College according to the College Roll & Staff List in this year Chronicle we receive at the end of each year it provides the names of 3511 students from k-12 from all 3 campuses. I presume this is the same as the enrollment figures, hope this helps!!! Also according to the wikipedia page "List of Schools In Victoria" it states that Caulfield Grammar School is the 2nd Biggest then followed by Eumemmerring College the Haileybury with an enrollment of 2600. Merry Christmas! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.216.22 (talk) 10:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

As a past student who has recently received the school report from 2007, the current number of students stands at roughly 3100 (exactly 3104 according to the report). It is expected to rise to 3500 in the near future.--124.190.145.215 (talk) 07:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Major removal of cruft

I have made a large deletion of non-notable content and advertising material from this article. Please do ot re-insert this kind of content unless it is referenced, relevant to a school article, and (in the case of inclusion in an alumni list) the person meets notability standards. I will remove any inappropriate material in future and address it on the talk page further if necessary. Thanks. Harro5 00:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Excellent edit, well done. --gummAY (talk) 04:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I have edited the school fees before, but somebody keeps chaning them back to the 2007 fees. For your information Haileybury has started the 2008 academic year in October 2007, therefore 2008 fees have applied for some time. Here is a referece if anybody cares editing it, I'm not goign to put in any effort if it just gets changed by you guys again. Note that Year 9 is most expensive. Kvs90 (talk) 03:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Haileybury may editing this article to suit their own needs

Haileybury may editing this article to suit their own needs. This article still contains a lot of unnotable and unnecessary information even though i have removed a lot already. This article is infact written like an advertisement with most of it belonging to school websites and books.Sheepunderscore (talk) 07:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Large Clean Up

Dear all, I would be doing a large clean up of this article in a weeks time to remove: unotable, unnecessary, advertisement like material, uncitated material, etc. In no more citations are added alot of this material i'm afraid does not belong here and will be removed. Sheepunderscore (talk) 06:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Brighton

There is no Brighton campus, its clearly in Hampton, the border for Brighton and Hampton is south Road and Haileybury is on the hampton side. just another example of brighton trying to take over everywhere —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.74.44 (talk) 05:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

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New campus

haileybury has a new campus, city. I don't know how to edit so could someone do for me? Thanks^^VeryExultantCow^^ (talk) 05:20, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

That has been done! JML1148 (talk) 04:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Awfully written advertisement

It's way too long and reads like an advertisement or some promotional material you would expect to find on the school's page. It keeps reusing the same words and pronouns way too many times. It needs to be seriously cleaned up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by モハメッド一二三 (talk • contribs) 10:26, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I have myself made edits on this page, but it still sounds like an advertisement. The last two paragraphs sound like someone from the organisation has written them. JML1148 (talk) 04:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)