Talk:Pavlik Morozov

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Exile

Everyking, are you sure it was ten years in exile and not just ten years in gulag? After all I've never heard of anyone allowed to leave the SU just because. It doesn't seem very probable to me... "You're a traitor and an enemy, so we'll let you leave and continue your work abroad..." - nyah. Halibutt 02:49, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)

No, what it means is internal exile, as in shipped off to a gulag. Feel free to clarify the wording as needed, I was just using the same term as they did in the Pravda article so as not to lose any of the meaning, since I don't know any of the specifics of what happened to him (and maybe no one does). Everyking 03:13, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Ok, I added as much as I could about what probably happened to him. Everyking 03:38, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I'll clarify that. Pravda, contrary to what the title says, was known for using thousands of euphemisms and creating a world of its own. Halibutt 07:57, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)

i guess it is way to late to answer to you, but to whoever reads this talk page, firstly the inner exile didn't mean sending somebody to "gulag" i.e. to a prison camp, it meant they were sent to live in the remote areas like siberia or kazakhstan etc like an ordinary citizen with somewhat limited rights, secondly there were quite a few people who were exiled from the soviet union too, albeit it wasn't popular in the 30ss 93.88.216.35 (talk) 06:06, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Image

What is the image used for Pavlik? A propaganda picture, or "The one surviving photograph of him shows a malnourished child,"? This should be given in the image text too. Ingolfson (talk) 08:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

this article is very sketchy

>In 1932, at the age of 13, Morozov reported his father to the political police (GPU). Supposedly, Morozov's father, Trofim, the chairman of the Gerasimovka Village Soviet, had been "forging documents and selling them to the bandits and enemies of the Soviet State" (as the sentence read). Trofim Morozov was sentenced to 10 years in a labour camp and later executed.[1] However, Pavlik's family did not take kindly to his activities; on 3 September of that year, his uncle, grandfather, grandmother and a cousin murdered him, along with his younger brother. All of them except the uncle were rounded up by the GPU and sentenced to "the highest measure of social defense" – execution by a firing squad.

there are multiple possible mistakes about this piece, firstly the father of pavlik was sentenced to 10 years and there are some data he was released in three years, i have never heard he was executed, then the uncle and the cousin who did the murder were executed but the grandfather and the grandmother died in the prison, they were like 80 y.o. or so. it is very questionable if pavlik took any significant part in reporting his father's illegal activities (which actually took place btw, he indeed forged some papers) etc, this article is very sketchy at best 93.88.216.35 (talk) 05:59, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This whole article is whack. We have a source saying the father was executed, we have multiple sources saying the whole thing was fake, we have sourced claims saying it's official soviet propaganda and sourced claims that Stalin himself hated the story. This article is better of not existing than in its current form. --SgtLion (talk) 16:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]