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Of course I'd expect this websites to use phrases like "Chinese Muslim" instead of "Hui". Must attack Islam in any possible way, correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.142.150 (talk) 02:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

About the usage of "Hui" and "Dungan", here's an excerpt from the Hui people article:

Huis anywhere are referred to by Central Asian Turks and Tajiks as Dungans, even though Western academia only recognizes one Hui group, that of Kyrgyzstan, as Dungan.

-- ran (talk) 01:35, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I just borrowed the terminology used by my source. This is coming from a Western academic source, but I'm assuming the former meaning Hui people is actually the intended one, since they are identified as coming from Gansu. ~~I'll correct that in the next edit.~~ Nevermind, I see you already did. --MC MasterChef 02:18, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Information from Abdulbaki's article

TIRET was established as result of the unification of the Eastern Turkestan Republic, which declared independence from China, in Kashgar, in September, 1933, under the leadership of Temur-Sijan (Temur Bek), and the Hotan Emirate, which declared independence from China on March 16, 1933 in the city of Hotan under leadership of Muhammad Amin Bughra. The seat of the new Government was established in the city of Kashgar. It had soon all attributes of legitimate power, including National Assembly, founding Constitution, Flag, legal system, national currency ( in the form of minted coins under name " Republic of Uyghurstan" ) and started to form national army.
According to British Consulate- General in Kashgar at the time, TIRET had five basic policies:

To form an independent muslim state.
To seek freedom from the " Soviet stranglehold ".
To restore peace and put down lawlessness.
To encourage and restore trade.
To seek friendly relations with the British Government and to obtain its aid as far as possible.

But Kashgar envoys, who had been provided by issued national passports of TIRET and sent by Sabit Damulla to British India, the Soviet Union (Tashkent), Afghanistan, Persia, and Turkey, failed in their missions. None of these countries agreed to recognize the fledgling Republic and provide their aid and support (although the Turkish press at the time was full of congratulations for the self-proclaimed "Turkish Islamic Republic of Eastern Turkestan", the Turkish Ministry for Foreign Affairs didn't sound any note. British authorities in India replied that all matters of Eastern Turkestan Kashgar authorities should to settle exclusively with Nanking Government of China. The Soviet Union replied by sending troops (the 8th Army, under the command of General Rybalko)^[1] in January, 1934, to Northern Sinkiang, where they became engaged in joint military operations together with Chinese Sheng Shicai forces against the Dungan forces of Ma Chung-ying, eventually having them expelled to Southern Sinkiang, which was controlled by TIRET). An appeal by the Republic to the League of Nations also remained unanswered.
After, the defeat of the Republic by the Dungan (Hui) armies of Ma Chung-ying followed. The capital of the secessionist Republic was sacked by Dungan troops on February 6, and, when Kashgari forces failed in an attempt to retake the city on February 9, more than 3000 of its inhabitants were soon after massacred by Dungan soldiers, who allied themselves with the Nanking Government of China. In ensuing battles, that lasted several months, the better organized, armed, and trained forces of Ma Chung-ying proved victorious over the Eastern Turkistani troops, and captured Yangihissar, Yarkand, and Hotan, eventually putting an end to existence of TIRET.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Erkin2008 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"TIRET as a result tried (through German representatives in Kabul), but failed to receive recognition from Germany, instead Nazy Germany supported the KMT." .... Nazy ? somone plz fix this 70.190.32.185 (talk) 23:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The independence of this country was not recognized by the International Community.So it can not be called as a country.Reference:Ciskei,State of Katanga,Venda.Dasb (talk) 05:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While there are instances that what you say are true, there are others that it is not (Taiwan) and it is therefore not an appropriate standard.Fuzbaby (talk) 00:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ _{Stalin's 8th Army was disguised in Sinkiang as a Russian Cossack "Altai Voluntary Army", and consisted of 2 brigades - "Altayskaya" and " Tarbagatayskaya". The Russian Cossack troops (mostly from Ural, Siberia, and Semirechye, under the command of atamans Dutov, Semenov, and Annenkov) retreated to Sinkiang in 1920, after they lost a battle in the Russian Civil War. Here they were interned, but retained their weapons. In April, 1931, governer Jin Shuren issued a directive of total mobilization of the Russian population, following a Kumul uprising under the leadership of Hojaniyaz and Yulbars Khan. Three White Russian regiments were created under the command of a former officer of the General Staff of the White Russian Army, Colonel Papengut, and were given to Sheng Shicai. These Russian troops played a major role in the defense of Urumchi in 1933 and 1934 against Dungan and Uyghur rebels. The Russian naturalized community of 30,000 (which resided mostly in Northern Sinkiang) lost 1500 men during the 1931-1934 Sinkiang War.}

Information in Infobox

Are there any references available for this information?

That the Uyghur name for the country was شەرقىي تۈركىستان جۇمۇھۇرىيىتى ?

That the country was officially called the Turkish Islamic Republic of East Turkestan or the Republic of Uyghurstan?

That Kashgar was declared the capital?

That Uyghur was declared the official language?

That Islam was declared a state religion?

That the country was declared to be an Islamic constitutional republic?

That currency was minted under the name Uyghurstan Jumhuriyetti?

If this information can't be referenced then it shouldn't be in the article. --Joowwww (talk) 15:59, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The following info can be found regarding some of your questions in Millward's book (James A. Millward (2007). Eurasian Crossroads: A History of Xinjiang. Columbia University Press. ISBN 978-0-231-13924-3):

The name of the Republic was a little ambiguous, although only the first name in the list was used in the Constitution of the Republic: 1) Eastern Turkestan Republic (شەرقىي تۈركىستان جۇمۇھۇرىيىتى); 2) Eastern Turkestan Islamic Republic (شەرقىي تۈركىستان ئىسلام جۇمۇھۇرىيىتى); 3) Republic of Uyghuristan (ئۇيغۇرىستان جۇمۇھۇرىيىتى ). The names in Uyghur alphabet provided in the parentheses above is my translation to Uyghur and can be confirmed by any Uyghur-English translator. (pages 202-203)
The Republic, as reflected in its constitution, was founded not only on Islam, but on the modernising, nationalistic ideals of the jadidist movement of the 1910s and 1920s (pages 201-202).
The new government struck its first copper coins in the name of the Republic of Uyghuristan(Uyghuristan Jumhuriyiti),but later coins and passports were labelled 'Eastern Turkestan Republic'. (page 203). — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaimGame (talk • contribs) 08:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish?

Regarding to infobox saying "Turkish Islamic Republic of East". I don't get it. What does First East Turkestan Republic has to do with Turkish people??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nozdref (talk • contribs) 16:13, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No answers indeed. I'm still wondering though. WTF has this do with TURKISH PEOPLE??? Nozdref (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They historically belong to the same ethic group as people from Turkey: Turkic peoples. --2.245.131.138 (talk) 17:29, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is clearly disinformation, Uyghurs are a separate ethnic group. May be you meant, Uyghurs belong to the same family of languages as Turkish. Uyghurs are clearly not Turkish, we are a Turkic people. There is a difference between terms Turkish and Turkic, please read about it.ClaimGame (talk) 08:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What does that have to do with anything? American settlers historically belonged to the same ethnic group as the British and other Europeans, do you have to call North America 'European United States of America?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.111.130 (talk) 00:59, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Slogan of the east turkestan republic

http://books.google.com/books?id=qz3vdkxBt4AC&pg=PA184#v=onepage&q&f=false

Kuoofra (talk) 19:50, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong map

The map in this article is not actually a map of the First East Turkestan Republic, it is simply a map of Kashgar Prefecture with its current borders. I think it's slightly dishonest to present this map as a map of the First East Turkestan Republic. We need a real map - unfortunately, I haven't got one. Alfons Åberg (talk) 10:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I recently created a new one, showing the at the time Kashgar District and surrounding areas under the ETR's control (according to the information on the own article), but it has been deleted as "unsourced" - when literally the sources are in the article itself when talking about its controlled areas. Wario2 (talk) 12:02, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Name

First East Turkestan Republic seems to be an unofficial version of the name. Shouldn't it be moved to Turkic Islamic Republic of East Turkestan? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:16, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes we use the commonnames. First and second East Turkestan republics are only designations that are more commonly used. Beshogur (talk) 11:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] _{Stalin's 8th Army was disguised in Sinkiang as a Russian Cossack "Altai Voluntary Army", and consisted of 2 brigades - "Altayskaya" and " Tarbagatayskaya". The Russian Cossack troops (mostly from Ural, Siberia, and Semirechye, under the command of atamans Dutov, Semenov, and Annenkov) retreated to Sinkiang in 1920, after they lost a battle in the Russian Civil War. Here they were interned, but retained their weapons. In April, 1931, governer Jin Shuren issued a directive of total mobilization of the Russian population, following a Kumul uprising under the leadership of Hojaniyaz and Yulbars Khan. Three White Russian regiments were created under the command of a former officer of the General Staff of the White Russian Army, Colonel Papengut, and were given to Sheng Shicai. These Russian troops played a major role in the defense of Urumchi in 1933 and 1934 against Dungan and Uyghur rebels. The Russian naturalized community of 30,000 (which resided mostly in Northern Sinkiang) lost 1500 men during the 1931-1934 Sinkiang War.}

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