Talk:Ussuriysk

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Are you sure U.'s is an airport, not an airfield? It doesn't have a IATA code. And the Yak-40 stuff… apoivre 18:20, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

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I am not really sure what the difference between an airport and an airfield is, although now that you mention it I can imagine it exists. The Russian sources I work with mention "Ussuriysk airport", and there is JSC "Ussuriysk Airport" in Ussuriysk.

It is, however, worth mentioning that a Russian word for "airfield" (аэродром) literally means "a set of landing strips". The word is never used to refer to an airport as a whole entity. Thus, "Ussuriysk Airport" would be a word-to-word translation, which is probably not too accurate. Feel free to change the reference to "airfield" if you are sure this would make the article more accurate.--Ezhiki 18:39, May 19, 2004 (UTC)

OK, it doesn't have a IATA code, it's not in Sirena CRS and there's no word about an airport, airfield or a landing strip here. There must be a military air base somewhere there and there may be a JSC set up to convert it to civilian use. But you can't fly there, I'm afraid. Oh, and Russian is my native language and I still don't get that аэродром thing. Care to cite your sources? -- apoivre 12:55, 20 May 2004 (UTC)~

Sorry, I didn't quite get what you did not understand about аэродром. It is a landing field, a part of (any) airport. I would guess that the word airfield has a broader meaning in English, so it can probably mean something else as well (I am not an expert in aviation, so I wouldn't know the intricate details).

As for the sources - I used to live in that area. I know there is something in Ussuriysk that locals call an airport, but I never saw it myself :) The reference in the article came from the information book on Primorsky Krai that was compiled by me and several other people when I worked for a publishing house in Vladivostok. I remember that original data used for the book was coming from all kinds of sources, but, of course, I do not remember where this particular piece of info came from.

The airport (airfield) in the city cannot be anything big, that's for sure. There is a similar installation in Kavalerovo, Primorsky Krai - can you check if that one shows up anywhere in the sources you are using? I just hope it is not defunct by now, but in the past it was used mostly for communication between remote settlements of the Krai, and yes, they used YaK-40s. This one I did see myself - it is a small airfield and a small facility to accomodate passengers. Nothing fancy, however.

JSC "Ussuriysky Airport" shows up in Yandex (so it is probably still functioning), but they don't seem to have a website. I will try to contact some of my old friends in Ussuriysk and see if they can provide more information on this, but this will not happen soon. Meanwhile, we can either change the reference to "airfield", or comment it out altogether.--Ezhiki 13:57, May 20, 2004 (UTC)

If I may quote the article on Airport:"An airport is a designated location for aircraft to take off and land. While smaller airports - more often called aerodromes, airfields or landing strips - might include short dirt or grassed runways, larger airports available for international flights normally feature paved strips, perhaps one or several kilometres long, together with a large complex of buildings where air traffic is controlled, passengers can embark on planes, and cargo can be stored". And BTW, аэродром in Russian can't denote a part of any airport, either (which part of SVO would you call "aerodrome"?).

I can't find the IATA code for Kavalerovo but Sirena is definitely showing flights from there to Vladivostok and Plastun for this week. Ergo it does exist and function as an airfield/aerodrome, whatever. Ussuriysk in most likelyhood does no more. So I gather the article should go something like "used to have an airfield, blah blah". Will you do it or shall I do it? -- apoivre 15:00, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

Aerodrome is a part of an airport (landing strips without support facilities) - this is per dictionary definition, which, of course, is not specialized and may be inaccurate in the technical sense. BSE mentions that landing strips are a major part of an aerodrome, and that an aerodrome would in fact include the supporting buildings, which is probably a more accurate definition. Anyway, that's not entirely relevant to this article.

As for changing the article - go ahead and do it; you obviously know more about airplanes and stuff than I do. I wouldn't, however, be so sure as to put "used to have an airfield" without checking first. Some quick googling (or yandexing, in this case) shows up that whatever they have in Ussuriysk is still functioning as a military airfield (none of the sources are reliable, unfortunately, but there are several unconnected references to this fact). Maybe we should just comments the sentence out until more information is available... In any case, thanks for raising this issue.--Ezhiki 15:47, May 20, 2004 (UTC)

I repeat, aerodrome or airfield is not a part of an airport, neither in Russian nor in any other language I speak. An aerodrome (or an airfield) can be just a dirt strip with a shack. An airport is larger, it's got a tarmac runway or three, one (or several) cargo and passengers terminals and so on and, most important, it can accomodate a jet; airfields are used by turboprops. Now your claim is, Ussuriysk can handle a Yakovlev Yak-40 which is a jet. Then, it's an airport. But even very small airports (or large airfields) have IATA codes; the one I last saw, Mulu Airport in Sarawak, Malaysia had one (MZV) even before it was expanded to accomodate Fokker F50's (which is a very small airplane). Now to the Ussuriysk one - it's not in any database and you can't fly there. Sirena is the default CRS (computer reservation system) in the CIS - every flight is in there (except for Aeroflot which pulled out a couple of weeks ago). When you buy a domestic ticket in Russia, your agent actually does it through this system. Every, repeat, every airport and airfield is in there, if it does, or can, handle civil trafic. Ussuriysk just isn't. That's why I say we need a proof there's at least an airfield there. -- apoivre 13:57, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

First, I don't really argue with you regarding the aerodrome being a part of the airport, I merely quoted the dictionary definition (and this particular dictionary contradicts the BSE's definition and some other sources I cared to check). I personally simply do not know who is right - I am not an aviation expert. Second, I did not claim that Ussuriysk is capable of handling YaK-40s. This came from the information book we were compiling, and, as I mentioned before, I do not remember where this particular piece of information came from (some of the sources we used were not particularly reliable). Third, I will contact people in Ussuriysk - they would definitely have better access to information. Blindly trusting a Russian-made computer information system is just not my style (I used to work with the system Russian railways use, which is supposed to cover everything railways-related, and guess what - some omissions were just laughable). Unfortunately, this is how the country is run. Sirena may not be any different, but again, I wouldn't know. In any case, make the changes you believe are for the best (this is wiki, after all) - we can always make corrections when new information comes up.--Ezhiki 14:46, May 21, 2004 (UTC)

Just to follow up - check this one out, namely, Article 40, item #3. I'd say this is a pretty credible source. I have no idea if this is a technically correct definition (considering the quality of Russian laws and the attitudes of people making them), but at least it is correct in the legal sense :)--Ezhiki 15:08, May 21, 2004 (UTC)

Oh, everything is possible in Legalese. Any news from your contacts in U? -- apoivre 13:22, 23 May 2004 (UTC)~

No, I will not get to them any time soon, but I will eventually. I'll make a note on this page if I find out anything new.--Ezhiki 17:25, May 24, 2004 (UTC)

Well, I've finally talked to a gal over there, and they indeed have no civil airport in or near the city. Only military airfield.--Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 20:54, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

FWIW, according to ICAO, an "aerodrome" is any facility designated for the movement of aircraft, and an "airport" is the same with a customs/immigration port facility. An "airfield" can be simply a piece of farmland used for aircraft operations (crop-spraying, for example). Ussuriysk has a military aerodrome to the north, but no civil airport. Nearby Vladivostok has two small military aerodromes and also a civil airport. Santamoly (talk) 07:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Name of the city?

WAITAMINUTE! Somebody made a HUGE mistake here! Nikolskoye couldn't possibly have been named after Nicholas II at a time when that monarch hadn't even been BORN yet!

Nicky was born in 1868, but the city was founded in 1866 and named after him? Illogical, isn't it?

Yes, Mr. Spock, you are right, that's illogical :) The special someone who made a mistake was me. Nikolskoye was named after Nicholas I (who died in 1855). I made the appropriate correction. Thanks much for catching that, it's one of those mistakes that are not obvious and thus not easy to fix. Thanks again!—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 17:12, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

Census

The population is 155,800 people (in 2003) and was 157,759 as of the 2002 census

That seems way too accurate to be accurate, if you know what I mean. --Deville (Talk) 02:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I know what you mean. The Census results, however, were reported with this accuracy, and it is somehow does not feel right to round the official results. I am going to remove the citationneeded tag.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 03:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

why citation needed for being a city??

this is so dumb, there live 150 thousand people--Shokioto22 (talk) 00:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

In Russia, city status is not conferred based on population size alone, thus it is a perfectly reasonable citation request (and one I'll be taking care of next week if no one beats me to it). Case in point—there exist urban-type settlements in Russia (which are not cities) with populations of tens of thousands.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 10, 2012; 01:38 (UTC)