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Specification of stadia

In the article section Formation of the NCAA there is the following statement: Only two stadiums owned by U.S. colleges or universities—Papa John's Cardinal Stadium at the University of Louisville and FAU Stadium at Florida Atlantic University—consist entirely of chairback seating.

Is it not the case that Stanford Stadium should be added to these? It is my understanding that, since September 16 2006, it has met the criteria described. That is: it has provided 'chairback seating' for all spectators.Clrfr-2 (talk) 08:31, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great Britain not England

I have edited the article where it says, England ot Great Britain, because it says that rugby football developed in England and Canada. Actually it developed in Great Britain. For instance the article says that american football was developed from mob football, and mentions Orkney. Well Orkney is in Scotland, not England. So a more accurate title would be Great Britain that includes Scotland, Wales, and England. Rugby was developed across Great Britain and Ireland. To claim it was just England is like saying that it was just developed in Rugby. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottishSusan (talk • contribs) 14:48, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Season

Should this article mention what time of year the regular season is, how many games are played, and who does the scheduling? —JerryFriedman (Talk) 17:52, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

First American College Football Game

The section about the first American college football game is internally inconsistent. It starts with the statement that, "The first intercollegiate football game played under the rules that would eventually become modern American football rules occurred between Princeton University and Rutgers University (which was called Rutgers College at the time) on November 6, 1869," and finishes with the comment that, "[a]n 1869 game of intercollegiate "football" between Rutgers and Princeton is often cited as the first intercollegiate American football game, however it was an unfamiliar ancestor of today's college football, as it was played under 6-year-old soccer-style Association rules."

I believe that Princeton-Rutgers started the series of intercollegiate games, that eventually grew into the NCAA, but that the rules borrowed from McGill University after their 1874 game with Harvard, are more properly considered the foundation of the "American" football game, as we know it. I think that the article can be amended to say both, without conflict. Svaihingen (talk) 23:36, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

History

The first three subsections under history are poorly organized and internally inconsistent. It is unclear what the first football game is, under the differing sets of criteria. I would suggest scrapping them altogether and starting from scratch. Publius97 (talk) 14:43, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in College football

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of College football's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "sfmg":

From 1894 Stanford football team: Official results from "Stanford Football Media Guide" (PDF). p. 142. Retrieved May 6, 2014.
From 1891 Stanford football team: Results from "Stanford Football Media Guide" (PDF). p. 142. Retrieved February 22, 2013.

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Found as the last sentence in the introductory section to the article entry "College Football":

[quote]According to "Bill Stern's Favorite Football Stories" (1948), the most people ever to attend a college football game was 114,000, for the Army-Navy game in 1926. It ended in darkness, in a 21-21 tie.[/quote]

The Premise:

The author must be talking about regular season games, not post-season games. (The odds of Army vs. Navy playing the post season is pretty low, although in the years following World War II, with a large number of GIs returning home and attending college, I suppose it might have happened. Don't have time to check.)

The Problem:

The statement above, at best, is misleading given that the "bounding conditions" of the figure cited are not given -- at worst, it is simply wrong. While it might be a quote from the cited book, I would like to see the documentary evidence to support this assertion. It is certainly not an NCAA statistic. Additionally, if this is a statement about post-season attendance record, it is wrong again. The Rose Bowl in Pasedena officially seats 92,542 people, but the Rose Bowl game frequently hosts more than 100,000 attendees. Also, the L.A. Coliseum (which has been used for USC vs. UCLA games at times, and occasionally for the Rose Bowl, has an official seating capacity in excess of 100,000.

The Facts:

[1] First of all, the NCAA did not even begin keeping official attendance records until 1946, so I am not sure what the source of data is for this author. In 1946, the University of Michigan led the nation's attendance with an average attendance of 93,894 for each of its six home games. Ohio State was second with an average attendance of 76,429.

See: <http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/football/football_records_book/2000/attendance_records.pdf>

[2] Again in 1972, the NCAA said Michigan led the sport with an average attendance of 85,566 people per game.

See: <http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/stadium/stadtext/staddate.htm>

[3] In 1974, Michigan again led the nation in average attendance per game, a streak that was not broken until 1995. However, Michigan's dominance resumed again in 1998.

See: <http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/stadium/stadtext/staddate.htm>

[4] On November 20, 1993 Michigan sets a Stadium and NCAA record with an attendance of 106,867 for the Ohio State game. The attendance at this game increases the Wolverines total home attendance for the season to 739,560, an NCAA record, breaking the one Michigan set in 1987.

See: <http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/stadium/stadtext/staddate.htm>

[5] September 26, 1998 -- Michigan sets an NCAA single-game attendance record as 111,238 fans watch the wolverines defeat Michigan State in the Big Ten season opener for both teams. On November 14, 1998, Michigan broke the average per game attendance again with 110,965 fans per game. The single game record was broken on the opening day of the 1999 season with an attendance of 111,523 to see Notre Dame. That record toppled on November 20, 1999 when 111,575 fans attended the Ohio State game. The NCAA record crowd helps U-M sets a new NCAA season average of 111,008.

See: <http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/stadium/stadtext/staddate.htm>

[6] September 13, 2003 Michigan again breaks the single game attendance record again with 111,726 present to see Notre Dame. That record fell on November 22, when 112,118 people watched the Ohio State vs. Michigan game.

See: <http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/stadium/stadtext/staddate.htm>

[7] I'm an alumnus of Michigan. Regarding "bounding conditions" of NCAA attendance records, although this last bit of evidence is anecdotal, it is important -- the people "on the paying surface" at the Big House in Ann Arbor are not counted as part of the official attendance records. I also happen to know for a fact, this is not the case in some other stadiums around the country -- especially when losing teams are struggling to meet the minimum attendance guidelines of their NCAA conference (which has lots of things attached to it, like shares of TV revenues, etc.).

In Ann Arbor, in addition to the players and coaches of the two teams involved (who are obviously on the field), the people on the field include: sportswriters, press photographers, cheerleading squads from the two schools, the Michigan marching band (and sometimes the marching band from the visiting team), as well as VIPs and special invites. During the 1998-1999 season (following Michigan's 1997 National Championship), the actual number of people in "The Big House" was estimated to be in excess of 116,000 per game.

[8] With the exception of #1, the URLs above point to the Bentley Historical Library. Although the library resides on the campus of the University of Michigan (and has a umich.edu URL), it is a privately funded institution reporting to its own Board of Directors. The Bentley maintains the archival records for the University of Michigan football program, under contract to the university and the state of Michigan. They are widely considered to be the epitome of archival institutions in North America. Their statistics are beyond reproach.

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Article size / Split

At 146 kB, this article is quite long. The guidance at WP:SIZERULE suggests that articles over 100 kB of readable prose should be WP:SPLIT. The history section of this article is quite long, so I propose we WP:SPLIT the article and move most of the historical information into a new article called History of college football, while leaving a brief summary in place here. I wanted to give others advance warning so that folks have a chance to weigh in before I start any major editing. CUA 27 (talk) 02:00, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Canada

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American football microstubs -- the worst of the worst

Wikipedia guidelines for more than a year have required all sports biographies to have at least one piece of WP:SIGCOV (not counting database entries such as NFL.com or Pro-Football-Reference.com). See WP:SPORTBASIC prong 5. In recent months, there have been efforts to draftify en masse sport substubs that do not comply with this requirement. E.g., pending RfC on cricket sub-stubs. Accordingly, we should prioritize improvement of American football biographies that could be targeted in a similar RfC. I have prepared a list of the "worst of the worst" in terms of non-compliance, which can be found at American football biography cleanup campaign. I encourage everyone to take on at least one of these articles (hopefully more) to expand and source. For any articles that you do improve with required SIGCOV, please apply ~~strike~~ coding on the list. Thanks for your help. Cbl62 (talk) 18:16, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

when was the oblong ball adopted?

All the early discussion indicates that a round ball was used, as in the statement related to 1874 play that "The games featured a round ball instead of a rugby-style oblong ball." So when did the rugby-style oblong ball become the norm? 2600:4040:250E:2000:B09A:83:E78F:8755 (talk) 02:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Map updates

The maps need updating as they are out of date. Just in Alabama the FBS map is missing UAB and UNA is now in FCS and no longer in Division II 107.77.208.95 (talk) 21:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template for future non-conference schedules is obsolete and difficult to edit

Since most conferences will have a variable schedule for the future, I am putting this template here and in some of the team talk pages so fans can input their future schedules. The vertical format used for non-conference schedules was almost impossible to edit because there was no year included in the body of the table. This horizontal format shows all games in a given year in order. There is one template for teams with 8 mandatory conference games and one for teams with 9 mandatory conference games.

For teams with 8 conference games:

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