Talk:List of ethnic groups in China

Question

I just disambiguated all the ethnic groups (people seem to move the articles but don't fix the redirects). Question: is the list in order of population? If so, this should be noted. Badagnani 07:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

It already says that. But I just added a reference for it. - Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 12:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Elaborate

While a list is nice to look at, where should I go to learn about why China defines 56 ethnic groups? There's got to be some kind of history to this. Which group was the most recent to be officially recognized? And other questions. Xaxafrad 08:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

See Ethnic minorities in China. Probably the policy was made post-1949 by the PRC government. But you have a good point about why 56 were selected, and not more (many others do exist but aren't recognized, or are grouped into other "official") ethnic groups). And what was the Nationalist government's ethnic policy up to 1949? I think all 56 may have been recognized at the same time. Badagnani 08:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic flags of the officially recognized ethnic groups of China

According to a 1999 report posted on the Flags of the World website (Home page: [1]), each of the officially recognized ethnic groups of China has its own flag: [2]. Hopefully, at some time in the near future when this vexillological information is accessed, it will be possible to set up a display of each of those flags in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keraunos (talk • contribs) 2007-02-03 06:04:39

Unfortunately, a Google search in Chinese doesn't really turn up anything. These flags might not be widely used. Badagnani 06:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm doubting the authenticity of the claim. Something like that should probably have been mentioned right here in WP already. Even if the PRC is blocking access to WP, we still have plenty of editors who have been or even grew up in the PRC, people who presumably would have personal knowledge of something like this. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

It's likely that at least some of the nationalities (or pro-independence groups like those in Xinjiang) have their own flags, some of which must be suppressed by the government. From the description of this program, it sounds like many of them did have their own flags. The nationalities (or Han people dressed in nationality costumes) are featured every year on the CCTV New Year Celebration so maybe the flags would show up on that program. Badagnani 06:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Politically Incorrect

First of all, the Republic of China does not refer to China, it is a clear fact, thats nothing to argue about. Second, Taiwanese aborigines are not an ethnic group in China. China here refers to the People's Republic of China. Which means that it is wrong to put or to write anything about Taiwanese aborigines under this title - "List of Ethnic Groups in Chiha".

I strongly advise you to rename the title to "List of Ethinic Groups in the People's Republic of China" to avoid confusion. And under this title you may have a subheading in which you will discuss the PRC government recognises Taiwanese aborigines as an ethnic group, called Gaoshan. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Changchih228 (talk • contribs)

Firstly, it is disputable whether or not "China" refers to the Republic of China as well. There are opposing views on this issue. But this is a dispute that's better addressed at Political status of Taiwan. Secondly, even if we are to rename the article to "List of ethnic groups in the People's Republic of China", it still needs to mention the Taiwanese aborigines, because the PRC government officially categorises them. It's pointless to move it. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Again, you are politically incorrect. China does not refer to the Republic of China. The government of China then refers to the Republic of China "as well as" the PRC government. China is a piece of massive land in Asia, Taiwan, on the other hand, is an island. However, Taiwan refers to the Republic of China and vice verca at the moment. I dont want to go off-topic. If you are talking about ethnic groups in China why should Taiwan be mentioned if Taiwan and China are clearly two separate lands. Furthermore, if you rename the title, then it is true that "the PRC government officially categorises the aborigines on Taiwan as one of their ethnic groups' provided that there is an evidence to support it. It then becomes less controversial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Changchih228 (talk • contribs) 2007-02-04 21:31:04

We're not here to present only information that is politically correct. And again, it is disputed whether or not "China" includes the ROC. A lot of people think that China include Taiwan as well. Also, just look at the sources provided on this article, and you'll see that the PRC government categorises Taiwanese aborigines into the Gaoshan group. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Good discussion. I propose to add a sentence at the top of the Gaoshan section which clarifies the fact that the PRC claims the Gaoshan, when in fact it does not actually control this territory now, since 1949. This is not really made clear as the text stands now. Badagnani 21:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be sufficient to just add something like that in the section for Taiwanese aborigines. But I fear inserting text like that is just inviting disputes and other editors will come in here to keep adding onto the text, eventually expanding it into a wordy explanation of Taiwan's political situation. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

That's what I meant, the "Taiwanese aborigines" section. The wording could be very short; the article is simply a list so I don't think long is necessary. Badagnani 22:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I dont see taht is necessary, all you need is to rename China to PRC. Because Taiwanese aborigines are on an island calle Taiwan, not China. It doesnt make sense by listing the Taiwanese aborigines here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Changchih228 (talk • contribs) 2007-02-04 22:07:46

Well, of course Hainan is an island as well. Badagnani 22:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

That is a very biased POV. A lot of people consider Taiwan a part of China. And it's already explained that the ROC and PRC governments categorise the Taiwanese aborigine groups differently. Now, it's an undisputed fact that the PRC government categorises them as Gaoshan. It only makes sense to clarify what that really means in this list. It makes no difference if the article is renamed, the aborigine section should still be there. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Is it necessary for all sections of article to uniformly follow the PRC's policies for classifying ethnic groups? Doesn't it make more sense, in the case of Taiwan, to reference the ROC government's classifications, since it is the de facto government on the island, and thus ostensibly in the best position to gather and evaluate census data regarding ethnic groups in the territory under its control?Wesmontgom (talk) 16:49, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I've added text in the Taiwanese aborigines section to explain the political concerns. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Two articles instead of one

This article should really be split in two - one article for the Republic of China and one for the People's Republic of China. The clarification I added to the opening sentence is really just a band-aid and it sort of awkward. There is no unanimous agreement as to what constitutes China (though it is usually used to refer to the PRC) so we either need to be clear that the article is about the PRC, or split it into two articles, one covering mainland China and the other covering Taiwan. Readin (talk) 18:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

The latter wouldn't work, as the Taiwan Aborigines are clearly one of the 54 ethnic groups in the PRC list. Badagnani (talk) 18:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Traditional and Simplified

Your format had the zh showing, which is why I undid it. It's unsightly. Secondly, you should also have traditional Chinese characters. Even though it is not used in the PRC, overseas Chinese and ROC use them and it is good practice to include them where there are differences. Anyhow, I agree, Gaoshan are recognised as one of the ethnic groups of the PRC, arbitrary enough because there are many groups that make up the Gaoshan ... but the same could be said of the Li, Dai and many of the Mongolian related groups could be merged. Nintala (talk) 05:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

You can add traditional, just don't remove the links. Badagnani (talk) 05:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't say overseas Chinese use them. There is also a huge amount of mainland Chinese outside China. The US is a different story. --2.245.216.226 (talk) 11:23, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Ethnic flags of Chinese ethnic groups

This link says that in 1999 someone saw a broadcast of an event called “Games of Nationalities in China” and that 54 recognized minorities or nationalities marched each under their own flags. Could someone who knows Chinese go to Baidu and see if they can find the ethnic flag of each of the recognized nationalities of the People’s Republic of China, and possibly download a link to this information into this article? TV Broadcast of “Games of Nationalities in China” with display of ethnic flags of the recognized Chinese minorities: Keraunos (talk) 09:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Here is a link I got from the Baidu Chinese Wiki, translated into English by Google, but it doesn't show the flags: Ethnic Minorities in China: Keraunos (talk) 09:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

This page is just a copy from the English Wikipedia article with the same name. There is no Chinese character in the original text. Dreamer in Utopia (talk) 08:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe at the upcoming Beijing Olympics there will be websites made available which will display the flags or symbols of these minority ethnic groups. Keraunos (talk) 09:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

No, no flags of ethnic groups will be displayed in Beijing Olympics because actually these flags do not exist. I heard nothing about "Ethnic flags of Chinese ethnic groups" anywhere in any language even in websites criticizing China's human rights acutely. As I know, Only the advocators of the independent movements of Xinjiang and Tibet use their flags. Most people in China do not have interesting in making flags. I think the broadcast was a rumor. Dreamer in Utopia (talk) 08:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Tibetans are not an 'ethnic group' of China. Tibet never has been and never will be part of China. It is an illegally occupied separate nation. 90.205.92.229 (talk) 06:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Stop spreading your propaganda. Tibet is part of China, every map shows it. Are you American? I could also say the US is illegally occupied nation. You must give back the land to the Native Americans! History is history, you can't change it. --2.245.216.226 (talk) 11:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Here's a picture showing a bunch of flags, though it doesn't say whether they belong to individual ethnic groups. Games for ethnic groups open in Guangzhou --JWB (talk) 23:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

That is fascinating; I think we really need to get hold of these flag images, no matter how we do it. The original post at Flags of the World was in 1999 and that's too long to wait. Badagnani (talk) 00:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

They could be ad hoc rather than standardized or official. Note the third pic shows a flag which is simply red characters on a yellow background; the one character visible is 治 which is probably part of 自治 (autonomous) in the name of one of the autonomous areas of China. (correction: English caption already says Tibet Autonomous Region) --JWB (talk) 04:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Could be. Many American Indian tribes have flags, and some of them number only in the hundreds. Some Chinese ethnic groups are in the millions. So it wouldn't be unusual if some of them had flags. Badagnani (talk) 05:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The flag in the link above are Tibet Autonomous Region in Chinese character printed on the flag. There aren't really any ethnic flag for all 56 and the ones that mentioned on 1999 with each ethnic marching under their "ethnic flag" are just probably the name of their ethnic group on a flag. Yes it's that simple.--LLTimes (talk) 19:36, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Other census results

Where can I get other census results 1940-90 years with ethnic population?--Kaiyr (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I want to know that too. What were the numbers BEFORE the Han starved 30-100 million people to death? Also, how the the national makeup in terms of relative population change after they murdered all those millions of innocent civilians?174.28.109.212 (talk) 23:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

census results 2010

Where can I get census results 2010 year of People's Republic of China with ethnic population?--Kaiyr (talk) 02:32, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Update 2010

It coukd be updated for 2010 http://www.stats.gov.cn/tjsj/pcsj/rkpc/6rp/excel/A0201.xls --Kaiyr (talk) 16:41, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Language family

I would like to have language family as an additional table column, e.g. Sino-Tibetan, Tai-Kadai, Hmong-Mien, Altaic, etc. The ethnic group definition was based on language. --JWB (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Sentence

"Due to the contested political status and legal status of Taiwan, the PRC classification of Taiwanese aborigines may be controversial."

I don't get this sentence. What does the legal status of Taiwan have to do with the PRC classification of Taiwanese aborigines? Because the PRC doesn't know Taiwan well enough to put these people in groups? But how is this controversial? --2.245.216.226 (talk) 11:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Ayi people = Nu?

Ayi people listed, but Nu already in table.. comp.arch (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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Han is not equivalent to "Chinese" in English

The Chinese people include Han Chinese and 55 minorities. To say Chinese means only Han in English was unsourced, illogical and contradicts the dictionary, every other reference work including other Wikipedia articles. Travelmite (talk) 01:57, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

To add to article: Torghut

Can mention of the Torghut people be added to this article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 08:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

To add to article

To add to this article: are the Akha people one of the 56 officially recognized ethnic groups in the People's Republic of China? If not, which ethnic group are they categorized as being part of? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 18:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

At first, only 41

Shouldn't we mention in this article that, at first after coming to power in 1949, the Chinese government only recognized 41 Chinese ethnic groups (with the number 56 only being reached in 1982)? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 14:20, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

I see that it was actually 39; I clarified this section. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 14:26, 5 July 2023 (UTC)