Talk:Artemis

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2021

Please let me edit this page and add some things. Some are important things about her abilities and some more. 188.4.186.180 (talk) 21:01, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Please improve wording when mentioning Siproites

I can see why it was written like that, but it's unclear who's doing the hunting with the current wording. Also might want add the alternative translation "Sypretes". A couple of sources/translations:

Antoninus Liberalis, cited by Francis Celoria. The Metamorphoses of Antoninus Liberalis: A Translation with Commentary, pp.71.

Orion: The Myth of the Hunter and the Huntress, pp.125-126. University of California Press

--5.91.87.141 (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

We are already using Celoria's translation (the online version at Topostext), and I've now added Fontenrose as a secondary source there. I presume it was Artemis that was doing the hunting (though Antoninus Liberalis' passage doesn't actually make that clear), and the article states that he accidentally sees Artemis bathing while she was hunting, which I think is clear enough in terms of who was hunting. That sentence could do with rephrasing, though. As to "Sypretes", that would require a source. – Michael Aurel (talk) 21:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Deiadameian has given Siproites their own article. I have edited our treatment of the story in this article per our discussion at Talk:Siproites. – Michael Aurel (talk) 08:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

wikilink

wikilink Niobe pls 2A02:2F0B:B20D:2700:800D:85F5:508C:E5A1 (talk) 20:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Done. Paul August ☎ 10:56, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2022

I would like to add an image of Artemis, Greek Goddess of the Wilderness, Wild Animals and the Moon as seen in contemporary Art.

Randomactofflower (talk) 07:05, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. This does not look to be a particularly good representation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't think the image is particularly useful here. Paul August ☎ 17:16, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Agreed with above. No particular reason to include this image. --Macrakis (talk) 17:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Please fix the wrong word in the third paragraph.

In the third paragraph, please change "having laid" to "having lain".

Thank you. WhiteMarlin (talk) 02:29, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done 3mi1y (talk) 08:32, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Artemis in the New Testament Acts of the Apostles

Please consider including the insights from this newly published article: Bilby, Mark. G. and Anna Lefteratou. "A Dramatic Heist of Epic Proportion: Iphigenia among the Taurians in the Acts of the Apostles," Harvard Theological Review 115.4 (2002) 496-518. https://doi.org/10.1017/S0017816022000293

Full disclosure of potential bias: As one of the co-authors, I'm suggesting that this article be consulted and considered by Wikipedia editors, not presuming to evaluate whether it merits citation in this entry. Vocesanticae (talk) 16:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Adding on more art

Greek art is important, could we try to add more to appeal to the audience of younger kids? ScheelDiverts (talk) 16:05, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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Modern Art (paragraph title)

The title is somewhat erroneous. It could simply be changed to "in art" or "influence in arts"...ect

e content of paragraph is very good. re Renaissance art and Modern art the same?

Modern art: It is mentioned in this wikipedia article (with references), how 'Modern Art' start approximately in 1860.

Renaissance Art Here, 1620 is the date given for the end of the 'renaissance'.

Both articles contain reference for the given dates. 94.252.107.93 (talk) 11:48, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Moon goddess

The article makes the claim that Artemis was never seen by the Greeks as a moon goddess, and this does seem to be a widely understood fact. I am trying to understand, then, why we have Euripides, in Iphigenia at Aulis, referring to Artemis as "you that spin the silver light at night" or "goddess who lets her brilliant light roll along through the gloomy darkness of the night." What is Euripides referring to if not a lunar aspect for Artemis? I understand that Euripides belonged to later Greek antiquity, but he is certainly Greek, which belies the article's statement that "no records have been found of the Greeks referring to Artemis as a lunar deity." Satyreyes (talk) 22:59, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Addition of story-like text to the article

An IP user 204.210.183.186 seems to be adding story-like additions to the Childhood section of the article. Isn't this against encyclopaedic tone of Wikipedia? i2n2z 06:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

It gives WP:UNDUE weight to one late writer's poetic conceits and embellishments, based solely on the IP editor's reading of that WP:PRIMARY source. I'll remove it. NebY (talk) 15:26, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Goddess of Childbirth

The article does address that being a virgin goddess and a goddess of childbirth seems contradictory, but I think the approach to her connection with children should be re-thought entirely. I've gone through the listed sources (many of which are not primary or even secondary but are themselves referencing secondary or tertiary sources) and none of them are definitive about worshipping her in the aid of childbirth, and in fact many of the sources seem to point to other related goddesses for aid while describing Artemis as being appeased so that she wouldn't interfere with the birth. Furthermore, the main (secondary) sources are both from before 1980, when many Greek goddesses were still being conflated with 'mother figures' and were often considered interchangeable. I'd like to see the article reflect the nuances of Artemis' role in childbirth and rearing, instead of basically repeating the same paragraph multiple times. I'd also like to see a general recognition of the failings of the literature and research (although that would end up needing to be a header on probably thousands of articles about ancient societies). Adrenaline.Researcher (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The connection is sound. See for example the Oxford Classical Dictionary entry which identifies childbirth and the rearing of children in the second sentence, and soon remarks that though she had different cults in different places, those and other "above-mentioned concerns are part of her Panhellenic persona and recur commonly in local cults". It later lists various places in which her "role as protector of women in childbirth is expressed through her epithet Loch[e]ia" or identification with Eileithyia - which some suggest is another epithet. The OCD's entry on childbirth tells us that "the deities most invoked in labour were Artemis Eileithyia (sometimes regarded as separate deities) or Hera in Greece, Juno Licina in Rome." I haven't come across the Greek goddesses being treated as interchangeable, and quite how anyone would swap Athena for Hera or Aphrodite for Artemis is beyond me, but there's not a whiff of that in those entries or any other OCD entries that I remember. NebY (talk) 13:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)