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Quite an interesting article. I only have my reservations regarding this statement: However the legend is pure myth. It seems somewhat irresponsible to claim this, without ellaborating on the issue. I, for one, would be very interested to know why this is a myth.

I think that the issue of this being a legend or not should be covered in more depth. If this is not possible, then the statement should be removed.

And perhaps whether the 'pioneer of the intesinal transplant' Omer Moghraby is actually the pioneer of the intestinal transplant, as he did not actually finish his time at Rugby, and was also my peer while I attended (1990-1995) however I can't find any actual references on the internet to a pioneer of intestinal transplant. He is however approx 29 at this point and it would be dubious whether this distinction could be claimed for him. Perhaps it is talking about another Omer Moghraby. (the other I am referring to I googled and seems to be quite a successful doctor in London at the moment however).. KidOblivious

List of headmasters

I wanted to include a list of Rugby's headmasters - and cannot find one for hours of googling. Other schools have such lists, and if anyone can manage to find one, please post it somewhere in the article. Thanks
Nick Michael 15:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Kwib for posting the Rugby headmastership, long needed! I couldn't find the info anywhere. BTW, what happened between Walter Hamilton and Brian Rees? And have you any idea where could be found the headmastership pre-Arnold? Nick Michael (talk)

Rugby School slang

I don't know who put a citation request template on that section, but I hardly see how anyone is going to be able to cite references or sources for the words there. They must all be straight from the horses' mouths - what more does anyone want??
Nick Michael 16:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Straight from the horse's mouth, some of those terms (such as Stodge, Sixth, Boomer, Tosh, Copy, Distinction, Levee (I think one of the es is supposed to have an accent too)) are used and some (such as Beak, Tanner, Speckle, Bug, Topos) I have never heard in my life. They may be historical and not in current use, or I may just have, by chance, never heard the terms. Probably the former. 82.16.77.68 16:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's fascinating to think that public school slang has a limited life, and is dynamic, just like slang in the 'real world'. I can vouch for most of the words in the current list as being in use when I was at Rugby (Sh, 1961-66), albeit with some exceptions: Boomer, Pig (for Levée), Speckle, Stripe, Tanner. The latter probably arose from our (inexcusably snobbish) way of mockingly pronouncing Town House - 'Tahn arse'. The others I have never heard of and presume they arose after my time.

The few words I have added to the list are absolutely authentic as of the 1960's. 'Bug' for library was used for both the libraries in the houses, and the big school ones - the 'Temple Bug.' 'Topos' is of course from Greek τόπος, meaning 'a place', and was the only acceptable word for a lavatory (whatever is it today? and why should it ever have changed?). Beak of course (I'm surprised the editor above never heard of this) is universal in schools - I believe it was originally used only for a magistrate and then spread to the schoolmaster usage (or the other way round?).
Nick Michael 17:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:OllyH has taken exception to my removing from the section Rugby School slang the term Drugby. In reinstating it he touchily labels my editing as vandalism, which it wasn't (and he ought to know better). I removed the term because it is not Rugby School slang: as his entry puts it, it was a famous 80's Sun headline after yet another dope bust. This does not even make it slang, let alone Rugby School slang. I'm not going to get into an edit war with OllyH but I believe that if he wants to bring the term up it should go into the main article and not in the list of what are mostly venerable and historical slang words and expressions.Nick Michael 21:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This section does not fit Wikipedia guidelines. Wikipedia is not a dictionary of slang and as with many other school pages, this fits into the category of a slang dictionary. This section should be removed completely Adam McCormick 19:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can see your point Adam. However, we are not talking about slang (although that is the term that has been used - incorrectly). This is actually jargon which is quite different really. I suppose you will argue that Wikipedia is not a dictionary of jargon either, but I find it a shame to remove documented historical jargon (many of these terms are no longer used at Rugby) from the article. These terms should be preserved. Where do you suggest preserving them? If they are included in Wiktionary (and they probably should), they will be dispersed; whereas anyone wanting to research Rugby School jargon (and that is not written tongue in cheek - there are many collections/dictionaries of jargon/slang by eminent researchers such as Eric Partridge) can have it all at their fingertips in this article.
Nick Michael 21:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A link to a subpage is probably the best option here if it absolutely must be kept, but the guideline is pretty clear. Perhaps if it was a link out of the history section instead of a section in-and-of itself it wouldn't attract so much attention. Adam McCormick 21:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I (T. 70-74) remember "speckle" and "tanner", but not "bug", "boomer", "pig" "schtig" or "stripe". I remember a "copy" being an essay on a set topic, not a prize; and surely "shag" (meaning "not-school" in a rather abstract way, e.g. "shag clothing" = not uniform, "shagging off" = illicitly skipping a lesson (also "cutting")) should be included? And isn't "Topos" generic public school slang - c.f. If...? JohnKozak 20:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a current teacher at Rugby School, I'm sad to say that the 'tick' is no more, and none of my colleagues know about it. Quite a few of the other words in this section are also no longer used. I'm very surprised to see nothing about the LXX and XX (and the history behind these). 90.210.160.223 (talk) 16:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well it just goes to show how ephemeral school slang is. It would be interesting to know which words/expressions in the list have survived and which have become extinct.Nick Michael (talk) 23:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This section has to be on of the worst I've ever read on Wikipedia. It cannot be verified so is open to abuse. Anyone could write anything. Also some of this isn't Rugby School slang, its public school slang. Beak is a commonly known (if somewhat oldfashioned) term and prep is used everywhere. I'm going to remove the terms I have heard of because clearly they are not Rugby School slang at all. Cls14 (talk) 09:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am a current Rugby pupil and I know that quite a few of these words are no longer used, or at least I haven't heard of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.51.33 (talk) 01:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reassess for Schools project

Made top based on Google hits. Pity they're are still few references. There should be 20 or 30. Its not too tricky and this school should have a top 100 article. Victuallers 11:04, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flashman

Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC KCB KCIE is a fictional character, not a real person —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.10.127 (talk) 20:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The great Rugby School mutiny of 1797

Does anyone have a record of the mass revolt that happened at Rugby School in 1797?

Yes. Have a look at

A HISTORY OF RUGBY SCHOOL BY W. H. D. ROUSE, M.A. SOMETIME FELLOW OF CHRIST'S COLLEGE, CAMBRIDGE LONDON DUCKWORTH & CO. 3, HENRIETTA STREET, COVENT GARDEN, W.C. 1898 Printed by BALLANTYNE, HANSON & Co. At the Ballantyne Press http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofrugbysc00rousuoft/historyofrugbysc00rousuoft_djvu.txt

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.7.44.27 (talk) 11:23, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1828

Much British Imperial expansion took place before 1828. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.55.83 (talk) 12:17, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby, by H.C. Bradby

I came across this interesting book on Rugby by an assistant Master, published in 1900. Perhaps it can give more information for this Wiki entry. Bigweboy

Fees?

I note that the article on Eton includes an estimate of the annual fees. The Rugby website, of course, has nothing to say about this. Would some current student or staff member (several of whom I see have posted here) care to provide a similar figure for Rugby? --184.46.15.59 (talk) 01:32, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Old Rugbeians

At present there is a discussion relating to the renaming of this category. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at this discussion page. Please note that the discussion is not a majority vote so contributions should be based on Wikipedia policies and independent sources. Cjc13 (talk) 11:27, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Removals and additions

These removals seem a little drastic. Conversely the "academic" section added at roughly the same time requires total re-writing.

Private school

Over the last ten years most UK public sector secondary schools have converted to academies and are therefore independent. They're independent of central government and Local Education Authority control. This development has made it all the more confusing to describe private schools as independent. If you take private healthcare; go to the BUPA article and in the opening paragraph it is described as a private hospital. If private schools have private school in the opening paragraph the link takes the reader to an article that makes explicitly clear.

Private schools, also known as independent schools, non-governmental, or nonstate schools,[1] are not administered by local, state or national governments; thus, they retain the right to select their students and are funded in whole or in part by charging their students tuition, rather than relying on mandatory taxation through public (government) funding; at some private schools students may be able to get a scholarship, which makes the cost cheaper, depending on a talent the student may have (e.g. sport scholarship, art scholarship, academic scholarship), financial need, or tax credit scholarships that might be available.

That is clear, unambiguous and unequivocal.(Garageland66 (talk) 14:12, 7 January 2017 (UTC))[reply]

This is a mess. KJP1 keeps reversing my edit so that the article starts with "Rugby School is a day and boarding public school (private and co-educational)" It's got 'private' and 'public' but doesn't have 'independent' even though it's been claimed that this is how these schools should be described and even though I deliberately included the word 'independent' as a compromise. (Garageland66 (talk) 15:13, 7 January 2017 (UTC))[reply]

The answer is to stop making your edits for the reasons we have already covered. If you do it again, I shall seek a topic ban. KJP1 (talk) 15:15, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) - Many thanks for replying, I hadn't realized you had already explained the faults in the claim. I was going to state the following:

Ah, I see, you're repeating this all over the place. That doesn't make you right; and I see also that you are being reverted and then reverting edits on this matter by numerous other editors. While this doesn't necessarily make you wrong, it at least indicates that you might possibly be in a minority. Discussion should be by consensus not by majority vote, but you certainly do not have consensus at the moment, even if you have pushed your changes through in a considerable number of articles on what we might for want of a neutral word call "public schools". The term "private school" does not accurately cover the case, as there are numerous other types of school that could be called private; the agreed term for many years has now been "independent school" to avoid that difficulty. Your "clear, unambiguous and unequivocal" statement does not take into account the many kinds of school in the UK: for example, it equates nonstate with non-governmental, but Church of England and Academy schools are certainly state schools but equally certainly non-governmental, so as a definition it's a total mess. A clear, unambiguous and unequivocal mess, perhaps. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:23, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not repeating this 'all over the place' I'm placing it on the Talk Pages of those articles I'm trying to amend to seek clarity on private schools. Please don't try to claim that because there are so many different types of school, it's difficult to ascertain which ones are public sector and which ones are fee-paying private sector schools. We all know the difference and the diffence ought to be made clear on here. The purpose of Wikipedia is to inform, not to confuse. (Garageland66 (talk) 16:16, 7 January 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Infobox

The infoboxes for the seven historic English public schools are, at present, inconsistent. Five have the School Type listed as ‘Independent’, one has it as ‘Private’ and only one has it as ‘Public’. Can I propose that, for the sake of consistency, they all have ‘Public School’ in the infobox. They are defined as such by the 1868 Public Schools Act. Is there a consensus on this? Garageland66 (talk) 11:34, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest you drop a note at the schools project to see if they have any input. Keith D (talk) 22:02, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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