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[Character reuse]

I can't see an obvious place to put this in the article as it stands, but I think it's worth noting: all the famous riders the poem mentions by name are characters from earlier Paterson poems; Harrison, for instance, is from "Old Pardon, the Son of Reprieve", and Clancy is of course from "Clancy of the Overflow". —Paul A 02:47, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Horses

For the comments which were previously on this page about the horses in the 1982 film, see Talk:The Man from Snowy River (1982 film).

The Poem

Is there a reason the poem isn't part of this page, and is only linked to? It would make sense that since this page is about the poem, the poem should be here. 76.17.188.167 11:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NPS. --Robert Merkel 09:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

After surveying the poem, I have to ask is it really that lengthy ? I, for one, would find the article improved by its inclusion. Klestes (talk) 23:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does not belong here. Move to WikiSource and provide link from here to there. Mathglot (talk) 16:49, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, so I've done that as well as moving the wikisource link higher up on the page so it is more obvious. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 21:24, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"End of an Era" - necessary?

Is the "End of an Era" section of this article really relevant? Seems like needless politicising to me, it really has little to do with the poem.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by ElZilcho (talk • contribs) 10:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree in part. The mountain cattlemen and the National Party did openly hang their extensive media campaign on imagery from the poem and film, as epitomised by the Peter Ryan quote - so I believe the events themselves are relevant to the article, as a significant case of the text's place and use in modern culture. As the section stands, however, it does not describe this politicization but is a brazen example of it, and at best must be entirely rewritten. The heading alone is partisan and inflammatory. Lainagier (talk) 21:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removing this section wholesale. As I expressed above, I believe some coverage of the events would not be out of place, but currently it is distressingly POV. Lainagier (talk) 22:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[Lyrics]

Hi people, I just added in the lyrics. I couldn't find an approiate place to put the lyrics, so if you know how you add in sub-titles, feel free to create one and then copy & paste it in :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.120.212 (talk) 07:28, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 16 March 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 10:37, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Man from Snowy River (poem) → The Man from Snowy River – Looking at the entries in The Man from Snowy River (disambiguation), all the other articles are about topics based on this one, making the poem the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Opencooper (talk) 08:11, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Many incarnations. Although all derive from Paterson, best to leave "poem" in the title, because only those looking for the poem want the poem, and because the unadorned title also refers to the academic debate of "the man", Jack Riley/Owen Cummins/Charlie McKeahnie/Jim Troy/J.R. Battye. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Page titles are not substitutes for searching. We don't add unnecessary disambiguations to page titles when they are the primary topic (it's not Mars (planet), but just Mars, despite the fact that some might want to specify the planet or the god of war). Redirects can be used for that purpose. Also your second point doesn't have much to do with the page title, as the disambiguation page is about works with that specific title and not people. The "Man" is discussed in the main article, and if there were ever to be an offshoot article, it would very likely not have the same title, but would be something like "Identity of the man from Snowy River" or whatever else. Regardless, it doesn't seem to have any bearing on the current title; the poem would still be the primary topic. Opencooper (talk) 04:34, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the poem is the Primary Topic, due as you said to all others deriving from the poem. The Man from Snowy River should redirect to The Man from Snowy River (poem), and the DAB page moved to The Man from Snowy River (disambiguation). The inclusion of "poem" in the title is for title recognisability, or more so, avoiding severe misrecognisability of the ambiguous title for most probably wanted article, The Man from Snowy River (1982 film). The derivative 1982 film consistently receives more page views, although the ratio is not large. If the poem were at the title The Man from Snowy River, a lot of people wanting the 1982 film would be frustrated, although not astonished, by unexpectedly downloading the poem instead. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:52, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As per SmokeyJoe, I would support a two fold adjustment, ie, "The Man from Snowy River" MOVE TO "The Man from Snowy River (disambiguation)" and "The Man from Snowy River" REDIRECT TO "The Man from Snowy River (poem)" Aoziwe (talk) 03:31, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a reasonable compromise and I'd be okay with it. Opencooper (talk) 05:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose all. The poem isn't even the one with the most pageviews; that title belongs to the 1982 film. Of course being the original does get you some bonus points, but not enough to turn a deficit into a full-on primary topic. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 08:45, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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