Talk:Cathy

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For God's sake, I just created the article! Let me add some substance. Brooklyn Nellie (Nricardo) 04:01, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just being bold. Didn't mean to interfere with your edits. If this is consistently a problem, you might try adding {{msg:inuse}}, which adds a prominent box (like this) to the page:

{{inuse}}

Yours, Meelar 04:03, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, Meelar. I have incorporated your edits and will keep the "inuse" tag in mind.

Cheers. Brooklyn Nellie (Nricardo) 04:18, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)

<removed stale inuse tag> xaosflux ^Talk/_CVU 05:45, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

This article needs some serious work to make it encyclopedic. "The Four Basic Guilt Groups"? --Misterwindupbird 10:36, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Do you even read Cathy? There was a four-book series on the four basic guilt groups. They are explained in the article. You gotta remember: this is an article about a comic strip, not Psych. 101. Nelson Ricardo 12:37, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

I should not have to read the strip to understand the article! Hence the tag. I don't think it's badly written per se, but this is an encyclopedia article, and needs to be written in the language and style of an encyclopedia, while right now it ready like the preface to a comic strip anthology. If someone like me, who doesn't really know the strip, comes here to learn about it and ends up scratching their head and going "what the...?", I think it earns a "needs work" tag. --Misterwindupbird 19:51, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Would it be POV to mention that this comic is commonly considered to be the worst nationally syndicated comic ever? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.65.133.76 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 31 December 2005

Yes, unless you give citations. If YOU personally don't like it, it's bias; if the 'National Society of Comic Strip Readers' takes a poll and that is the result, it's fair game. But you must give the source, and most administrators prefer a primary source. CFLeon 21:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I object to the recent reversion. I feel that the additions I made were a more factually accurate portrayal of the Cathy-verse (that is, the Cathy-Universe). User Nricardo is illegitimately substituting his own bias when he callously overrules what he so flippantly refers to as "vandalism". You my good sir have vandalized the truth with your lies and I, and, I am certain, Cathy Guisewhite herself, will not stand for such capricious and arbitrary behavior on an institution of democratic academia like Wikipedia. Listen to your concience for once and let the truth set you free. 72.181.35.42 06:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)Carl "Cathy" Winslow

Vandalism though it may be, your version of the article was funnier then anything that ever appeared in a Cathy strip. You should reprint it on Uncyclopidea or somesuch. 64.131.243.239 05:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I added a note about Cathy's boss at one point sexually harassing her. This is in line with other notes about major characters. Please do NOT take this out without justifying why it should not be included. It provides information on Cathy's relationship with her boss and views on men in general. 4.142.123.225 07:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)eric

I also removed the part about the reader's feeling that Cathy getting married was a breath of fresh air. This is a POV, many like myself feel it was the opposite. Unless you have a site for that like a poll. 4.142.123.225 07:12, 6 October 2007 (UTC)eric

Role of Cathy's mother

"Bill Andrews — Cathy's rare father. Helpless bystander to Cathy's Mom" but then we hear that the mother is "an equal in her marriage to Cathy's Dad". Contradictory. Which is true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.85.241 (talk • contribs) 2:35, 2 April 2007

Picture

How about adding a picture? ThumbFinger (talk) 20:26, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required

This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb (talk) 16:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Error re: Aging

How can the character of Zachary be aging slowly if his parent-characters met in an online chat? That's hardly been possible for long enough for Zachary to be a teen already (I mean, conceivable but unlikely in terms of the extensiveness of online chat to be sufficient to appear in a comic strip with the expectation people would know what it was). Obviously, other characters must age slowly but that one clearly ages either normally or rapidly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.176.103 (talk) 07:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Books

It seems to me the list of books for the Cathy Comic Strips stops at 2000. Is this correct? Did the publisher just stop publishing books? Or is the list incomplete? 99.53.169.153 (talk) 08:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)Theribold

A quick perusal of Amazon does indeed make it appear that she has had no books of chronological strips published since 'Shoes.'" Struck me as odd too - but since she's well past her prime, and arguably exponentially less funny since her 1976 inception, not entirely surprising. - AgentSeven 04:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Weight Watchers

I seem to remember that Cathy was a mascot for Weight Watchers possibly in the early 90s.76.214.41.110 (talk) 05:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

What style of cartoon is this drawing style?

I love the drawing style...it's so simple and uncomplicated...Is there a name for this in cartoon tech terms??? Mt grandchildren draw in this fashion...and they have no formal training...what is it???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.188.98.226 (talk) 23:13, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

Found this article heavily vandalized, could someone check info and correct? CFLeon (talk) 00:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: rough consensus to move. Andrewa (talk) 06:25, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

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Cathy (comic strip) → Cathy — The comic strip appears to be the only topic likely to be referred to as just "Cathy." Every other entry on the disambiguation page currently located at Cathy is a person or character, such as Cathy Keenan or Cathy Lane, who would not likely be referred to by given name only. 63.104.174.146 (talk) 18:50, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

• Cathy → Cathy (given name)
  • Support. The comic strip is the primary topic for the title Cathy. A hatnote should be added pointing to Cathy (given name), the only other use. Station1 (talk) 01:47, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

• • Oppose. While i have enjoyed the comic strip, it is not encyclopedic to give it preference over the basic, timeless, universal usage of the given name as being the primaryusage of the given name "Cathy". The given name came first and is not culturally bound as is the comic strip. --doncram 06:59, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

• • Support. The user opposing this move seems to conflate disambiguation pages and articles. The question is whether there is someone or something else known simply as "Cathy" and notable enough to necessitate disambiguation. As with Doug, the answer appears to be no. Gonfaloniere (talk) 18:23, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

• Support. The comic strip is the primary encyclopedic topic for "Cathy". The name page has one sentence of text and the name itself is barely notable (unlike, e.g., Katherine) and no other entities are referred to solely as "Cathy". —  AjaxSmack  16:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move 20 July 2019

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move, after over 2 weeks and a relisting. Cúchullain ^t/c 15:51, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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• Cathy → Cathy (comic strip)
• Cathy (given name) → Cathy

– The comic strip is not what I (and IMO nearly everyone else) expect to find when I type "Cathy". Clarityfiend (talk) 20:26, 20 July 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. — Newslinger talk 14:44, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support 1st per WP:ASTONISH but since the comic strip gets more views and as noted is more likely an encyclopediic topic a DAB at the base name is probably the best bet given at least that there is also Cathy (TV special). Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:44, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support 1st per WP:ASTONISH. O.N.R. ^(talk) 21:34, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support 1st per WP:ASTONISH, per above. Maybe have disambiguation page at basename? Paintspot Infez (talk) 22:14, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In fact, 'nearly everyone else' (see pageview analysis) does expect to find the comic strip at Cathy and the majority would be astonished not to find it there. Note that even the redirect Cathy (comic strip) get more views than the other two uses. Nothing has changed from the previous RM except the addition of Cathy (TV special) (derivative of the comic strip), which also gets more views than the name page but far far fewer than the primary encyclopedic topic. Station1 (talk) 00:02, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Americans, possibly. Everyone else in the English-speaking world, not so much! -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:42, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
• Disambiguate. The page with the most long-term significance is Cathy (given name), but the page with the most pageviews is Cathy (comic strip). When those two conflict, disambiguation is a commonly used method to resolve the discrepancy. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:45, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Cathy is primarily a given name, not a comic strip. —BarrelProof (talk) 06:16, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The unencyclopedic name "article" is all of two sentences and list of partial title matches. —  AjaxSmack  18:36, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Station1 and AjazSmack. Dohn joe (talk) 14:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. I agree with the above requested move. This seems like the only encyclopedic article simply called "Cathy". Nohomersryan (talk) 17:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I can see the astonishment argument, but the number of readers actually searching for information about the name "Cathy" is so small that I don't think it's a big deal to astonish them a bit, in exchange for getting the majority of readers to where they want to go. Colin M (talk) 15:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support 1st per WP:ASTONISH. Neutral on the 2nd. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
• There is also Commons:Category:Cathy (ship, 1954) which if its notable here would bring the number of uses up to 4, given that as noted its clear that there is conflict between PT criteria I still think having a DAB at the base name would probably be best. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:51, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. I don't think this is astonishing, especially with how low views Cathy (given name) receives, the Cathy (comic strip) redirect is even beating it. If you exclude the tv special, clearly based on the comic, there's no other topic you could find here. --Quiz shows 06:02, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom. The common name is the clear primary topic, certainly for non-Americans. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:42, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose - who in the world is typing in "Cathy" expecting anything? Likely only the people looking for the comics. Red Slash 21:12, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support as someone on the other side of the Atlantic where people think this would be the primary topic, I'm honestly shocked to see that argument. Page views are not a good indicator here: of course this has more page views. That's because it's inappropriately at the main article name, and primary topic doesn't just rely on page views. Even the comic strip itself lends to this argument: the only reason it can be one word is that everyone knows that Cathy is a common given name. Who cares about the length of the article, this would seriously shock readers if they were looking at it. I'd encourage whomever is reviewing this close to relist rather than close as no consensus if that is something they are considering, because additional in-depth discussion could be helpful in reaching consensus. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:44, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

• of course this has more page views. That's because it's inappropriately at the main article name I don't think this argument really stands up to scrutiny. This page gets 20x the views of Cathy (given name). Even if every reader of the name article had to go through the comic article to get there (which is very generous - generally most article visits are via clicking a direct link, rather than searching), how do you account for the other 95 out of 100 readers of the comic article? Even if half the readers seeking information about the name give up when they hit this article, and fail to see the hatnote link, it doesn't come close to making up the massive disparity. Colin M (talk) 20:53, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

• Speaking as a casual reader of Wikipedia who also happens to spend way too much time on it as a volunteer, I normally forget what I was browsing for when a surprise page appears. I doubt I'm the only one. The bias of this page not having a disambiguator is pretty strong. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:24, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per Station1 and others. Pageview analysis makes it pretty clear that the comic strip is the primary topic, at least in terms of usage, and is the article readers are most inetersted in. As a Brit I'm not familiar with the comic strip, but WP:IDONTKNOWIT is an argment to avoid and WP:BUTIDONTKNOWABOUTIT is not how we determine primary topics. PC78 (talk) 17:52, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Only if you ignore WP:PRIMARYTOPIC #2, which is directly relevant in this case. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
    • Not at all, I just don't believe that a raw list of names satisfies that criteria. PC78 (talk) 10:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. From the evidence shown here it is pretty clear the comic strip is the PT. Calidum 18:12, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NOTDICTIONARY (or name directory, for that matter)._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:51, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nomination, but would also support no primary topic per Crouch, Swale; Paintspot Infez and King of Hearts. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:36, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
• Disambiguate. There is no clear primary topic between these two options. Note that "Cathy" also appears (although rarely) as a surname. bd2412 T 02:54, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. The comic strip is an unfunny crime against humor, but it is long-running and popular, and there's no reason to think the overwhelming advantage it has in pageviews are misleading. Disambiguation is NOT necessary; the ship doesn't have an article (and might well never qualify for one), the special is already linked in this article, and a hatnote suffices for the given name link. SnowFire (talk) 20:30, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Like the first bit! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:07, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

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